Out of the Past…

In 2005 when Johnny Carson died, I posted a lot of material on this blog about great moments from his Tonight Show and other remembrances. Here's a post that ran here on January 25, 2005. Read it and meet me on the other side for a very exciting update…


I just cribbed the following off the weblog of a gent named Fred Bals…

One of the funniest live moments I ever saw was on the Carson show during that summer — a guest appearance by Rose Marie (of "Dick Van Dyke" fame), whose age Carson had jokingly referred to in his introduction. Another guest — whose identity I've long forgotten — mentioned the joke to Rose Marie, and compounded it by saying that Carson had claimed that when they were building the first stage, Rose Marie held the hammer.

"Ooookay," a mock-angry Rose Marie said, smiled at Carson, stood up and walked off the set. In close order, each of the other guests got up, smiled at Carson, and also left, until only McMahon was there. And then he got up and left, leaving Carson with what must have been the living embodiment of a talk show host's nightmare.

"Is it time to go to a commercial?" he asked. "Not for five minutes," came the offstage reply as the audience roared.

A desperate Carson eventually went into a stripper act, peeling down to his bare chest, as the orchestra blared out "The Stripper." And then all the male guests returned to the stage, each of them bare-chested too, as the audience went into hysterics.

Well, you had to be there. And it was funny, funny enough to me that I can still remember the details from a show I saw only once nearly 40 years ago. They cut to a commercial, and when the show came back on, Carson and the bare-chested guests were seated and he looked into the camera and dead-panned, "Welcome to Rawhide."

I remember that night and it was just as funny as Fred recalls. The guests were Debbie Reynolds, Carl Reiner and John Byner…and then Rose Marie came out. When Carson introduced her, he got the words all botched up and it sounded like he was saying she was ancient. She came out and Johnny apologized for the awkward intro. She said she hadn't heard it backstage. Johnny said, "Good," and tried to move on but Reiner loudly announced, "John Byner will tell you what he said."

Byner (and hey, there's a very funny man who isn't on television nearly enough) said, "He implied that when they build the first stage, you held the hammer." Just like Fred recalled. Johnny kept trying to explain and apologize but he just kept making it worse and worse until finally, all the guests walked off on him. And then it happened just as Fred said. To fill time, Johnny started doing a mock striptease, taking off his jacket, tie, shoes, socks and shirt. When Reiner, Byner and Ed McMahon came back out, they all had their shirts off, too.

I'm guessing this was in 1969 or 1970 because I recall discussing it the next day with a friend of mine who I haven't seen since around then. A very funny moment…and one that I suspect is lost forever due to all the tapes that have been destroyed over the years. Carson's company has most of the shows from the mid-seventies and up but only a few before then. A couple of the older clips, like Ed Ames and that tomahawk we're all sick of seeing, exist only because they were repeated in anniversary shows.


And we're back live. Note please that Mr. Bals and I were swapping memories of a moment we saw once on TV in 1969 and never again. And it was one that I suspected no longer existed.

Well, it does. I just found an upload of it on YouTube and you're about to see it.

The other guest in it whose name Fred couldn't recall is, I believe, George "Goober" Lindsey from The Andy Griffith Show. This is from the years when Johnny was based in New York and would bring his show out to NBC Burbank from time to time, as was the case with this episode. I once asked Rose Marie about it and she said it was in no way planned. I am not sure that I believe that but it was darned funny then and darned funny now…

Dispatches From the Fortress – Day 345

I'm due for my second shot of Moderna next Tuesday but shipments of it to Los Angeles have been delayed by bad weather and probably some bad planning…so I've yet to be notified as to when my appointment will be. The website says "the second dose may be given up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose" and I had the first dose on January 26 so I guess they have until March 3rd to get the stuff into me. Not worried.


In other news: I've decided to do my blood pressure a favor and not watch the Woody Allen/Mia Farrow documentary that begins airing this weekend. As I've written here before, I think the case against Mr. Allen is very weak…and I don't say that because I admire him as a comedian. I had no trouble thinking Bill Cosby was guilty of what he was charged with and I admired him as a comedian. (That is, by the way, the only analogy between the two men that I think is valid.)

Anyway, I've spent enough hours of my life thinking about this. Let me know if and when anyone ever makes a documentary about this and interviews Moses Farrow or anyone who will really give Woody's side of it.


You may recall that I was watching episodes of the old detective show Vegas — the one starring Robert Urich as Dan Tanna — at the rate of two or three per evening, working my way through a set of them all. A friend of mine one told me he didn't like watching old fave shows this way because, to approximately quote him, "You hit a point where every episode is the same as the one you watched before and the one you watched before that."

I hit that point with Vegas — where almost every episode was about some unknown killer out there who was plotting to kill Dan Tanna, an employee of Dan Tanna's, a longtime friend of Dan Tanna's, a relative of Dan Tanna's or a longtime friend or relative of a longtime friend of Dan Tanna's. I'm also getting to the point where I think I could pick Robert Urich's stunt double out of a police lineup that included Robert Urich. That is, if if he were still with us.

I'll try watching more episodes in a few weeks. And I'll try to remember that weekly shows weren't made to be watched this way.

Today's Video Link

Floyd Norman is back with another tale from his days at Disney Studios, back when Walt walked the lot. Pull up a computer chair and let Floyd tell you the story of "Amby's Bass Fiddle"…

Cruz Confirmation

Ted Cruz — hated by everyone in America except enough Texans to keep being re-elected — came up with a solution to the awful, cold and powerless conditions in the state he represents. He flew to Cancun to get away from it. There was outrage and he came skying back with one of those excuses that no one believes — his daughters needed his help with something — but which those who support the guy could pretend to buy into.

But this post isn't about that. It's about his trip there being reported. When I first heard about it, I went to the Snopes site, which specializes in debunking or confirming news items…and they're super-cautious about this. I checked in all day with their site and even after every major news source had said it was so, Snopes thought the sourcing was a little iffy and refused to say it was true.

Finally when Cruz issued a statement, that was proof enough and they said, "Yes, it's true." Everyone else was ahead of them but they set a higher bar for confirmation. I suppose some would say they were bad reporters of news because they didn't run it sooner…but I think it's refreshing and worthy of a salute or two. You can see some (not all) of the process they went through on this page.

Dispatches From the Fortress – Day 344

A lot of things I don't write about on this blog, I don't write about because I think everything I have to say about them is pretty obvious…like the passing of Rush Limbaugh. If you ever cared about Rush Limbaugh, you certainly have a firm, never-gonna-change opinion about him. And if you read this blog, you can probably guess what mine is.

But Quick True Story: Years ago — we're talking mid-eighties here — when I went to New York, I'd often stop in at an outlet of Rochester Big & Tall, a clothing store for guys like me. It was on W. 52nd or maybe W. 53rd near 6th Avenue. It later moved over to 6th, then went away completely but by then, there was one in Beverly Hills, right across from my doctor's office.

I was in that store in Manhattan one day and I'd picked out a few items for purchase. Then my salesman, obviously working on commission, started pressing me to buy a beautiful suede jacket that adorned a very dashing mannequin in the store. It's been many years since I've purchased clothing made of animal skins but I did back then.

He got me to try it on and it looked great…until I saw the price tag. Way too rich for my corpuscles. I was about to take it off forever when I heard the following exchange between my Sales Person and another customer in the shop…

OTHER CUSTOMER: Hey, that's a great looking jacket. Do you have that in my size?

SALESGUY: That may be your size, sir. But it's the last one we have in stock and I'm not sure if or when we'll get more.

OTHER CUSTOMER: Well, if he doesn't buy it, I want to try it on.

I looked and the Other Customer was, so help me, Rush Limbaugh. I turned to the salesman and said, "I'll take it."

Today's Video Link

Sometimes, I find videos to link to on this site by thinking of a song I liked back in some previous decade. Then I search YouTube to see if there's a video of the artist(s) I liked performing it live, as opposed to just doing a lip-sync on the record. If there is, I post it here.

This morning, I somehow thought of "Sweet Blindness" performed by The Fifth Dimension and I went hunting for it. I found a video of them singing it but to my surprise, they'd added a sixth member to the group for it. It was Frank Sinatra and he was wearing one of my old outfits…

My Latest Tweet

  • I take comfort in the fact that when I die, Twitter can't possibly be filled with as many hateful, racist, sexist quotes as I've had to read today.

Kartoon Korner

A couple weeks ago, a friend of mine and I were discussing magazine cartoons — the kind where there's a drawing and then the caption is printed under the drawing — that made us laugh out loud. I'm talking about the kind that you see in The New Yorker and almost nowhere else these days.

I mentioned a few favorites to my friend and recently on the 'net, I came across a copy of one of them. It was done by Charlie Barsotti and I believe it ran in National Lampoon. At least, it was in some publication I was reading back when NatLamp was thing and it did make me laugh way more than such cartoons usually do.

As you may know, the custom in magazines that run/ran this kind of thing is for the artist to submit piles of "roughs" — quick sketches not up to publication standards. If the editor decides they want a certain gag, the cartoonist is then commissioned to do a more polished rendering of it and that's what they purchase and publish.

At least, they did it that way for a long time. But in the late sixties, there were a couple of cases where when the finished version was delivered, the editor decided the rough was funnier and so they printed the rough. And there seem to have been some instances where a magazine was about to go to press, there was a desperate need for a cartoon to fill a certain space and the editor, having no polished/finished cartoons available, printed a rough.

Around 1970 or thereabouts, there were articles in a few cartoonist magazines (Cartoonist PROfiles, I believe was one) about this and it led to more editors feeling it was okay to do that. That in turn led to some cartoonists making their roughs more polished, which in turn led to more of them being printed.

I don't know for sure that what we're looking at here is something the late Mr. Barsotti submitted as a rough sketch but it's way less slick than was usual for his work in print. If the editor to whom it was submitted laughed as much as I did about it, he might have decided to dispense with the fancy redraw and just go with this. I would have.

Fact Chex

A couple of times on this blog, I've mentioned a small peeve of mine…when people try to pass typos or one-time spelling errors or innocent verbal gaffes off as lying. We all mistype. We all misspeak. Some of us have errors inserted into what we write by well-meaning autocorrect programs. Back when I worked in Wordstar 4.0, I'd type the name of my best male friend, Sergio Aragonés and even though I diligently put the accent mark on the final "e," it would think I meant "Sergio Arrogant" and change it accordingly.

If a person says something over and over that isn't true, that's different. We've all seen those lists that say Donald Trump lied eighty jillion times. What's amazing about those lists — and what drove the number so high — is that he said most of those things over and over and over and over. Let's say you applied a filter to one of those lists. Let's say you said that Trump would have to say something untrue three separate times before we classified it as a lie as opposed to a verbal gaffe. It would still be a pretty long list.

Glenn Kessler is the main Fact Check person for the Washington Post, which compiled one of those lists. I think he and his paper do a pretty good job of it, This morning, referencing a couple of odd things that came out of Joe Biden's mouth last evening, Kessler posted these six tweets…

Here's a guide for ex-Trump officials for how to tell whether a politician might be telling a deliberate lie or just had a verbal stumble. They were quick to declare Biden was a deliberate "liar" last night on vaccine development. So here we go…

Biden said on CNN: "it's one thing to have the vaccine, which we didn't have when we came into office, but a vaccinator — how do you get the vaccine into someone's arm?" Yep, that's wrong. Sounds bad. But did he mean it?…

A) Did he say something different elsewhere in the town hall? Yes, just minutes before: "We came into office, there was only 50 million doses that were available." That's a clue he knows the vaccine was created when he became president.

B) Is it different than what he said before? Yes, 1/26: "We want to give credit to everyone involved in this vaccine effort and the prior administration and the science community and the medical sphere — for getting the program off the ground. And that credit is absolutely due."

That's another clue. So the odds are this is a flub, not a deliberate falsehood. He contradicts what he said just moments earlier and what he has said in the past. As fact checkers, we look for patterns and context…

I know it's fun to snip a clip and act outraged on social media. But what's more telling is if a politician over and over says the same falsehood, day after day, no matter how often he or she has been fact-checked. No going to mention any names, of course.

I think that's correct…and by the way, I thought it was appropriate to leave in the typos and a bit of awkward phrasing of Mr. Kessler's. For instance, when he wrote "That's a clue he knows the vaccine was created when he became president" in the third tweet, you could deliberately misunderstand what is being said.

You couldn't if Kessler had written "That's a clue he knows the vaccine was created before he became president" or "That's a clue he knows the vaccine was already created when he became president." He probably would have cleaned it up if he'd been writing something to go in the Washington Post instead of up on Twitter.

Trump's tweets (may they rest in peace) were full of spelling mistakes and missing words and bizarre punctuation. I never thought those were lies, just as when someone types "teh" instead of "the," it doesn't mean they're so stupid, they don't know how to spell "the." I don't think obvious verbal gaffes should be spun as lies. It's misleading and it makes outright, real lying seem more like an honest mistake.

And just in case anyone is going to try and make an issue of it, I didn't mean literally that Trump lied eighty jillion times. That was just an attempt at colorful phrasing. The real total was more like ninety skillion.

Today's Video Link

I really liked the score (and other aspects) of the Broadway show, Catch Me If You Can. One of the better tunes in it was called "Butter Outta Cream" and back in this post, I linked to musical comedy stars Sam Gravitte and Jason Graae (hi, Jason!) doing a virtual/online performance of it. Here's another one, this time by Thom Sesma (who I think I may have seen on Broadway in Miss Saigon) and Quentin Garzón…

Tonight's Pandemic Post

Kevin Drum thinks the U.S. handling of COVID-19 has been as good as could be expected, maybe better. I'm not sure I agree with that and this is not a Trump thing. I assume the day will come when there will be studies and commissions on what went wrong and what cam be done to make them not go wrong in the future. I would love to hear what experts like Dr. Fauci — and not just him — will say then.

I don't go out much but when I do these days, I rarely see anyone not wearing a mask. Some of them are wearing two which obviously is more effective than one but what I don't get are these stats that say one mask is X% effective and two are Y% effective. Doesn't the kind of mask have a lot to do with how effective it is?

Obviously, some are too flimsy to be of some use. When mask-wearing was just starting up, I ordered a couple of different kinds off the 'net and threw one package away upon its arrival. You didn't have to be an immunologist to tell they would do no good. Might there not be masks out there that do the work of two? A mask that's more effective than two or three of some other variety? Obviously, I intend to keep masking-up when I go out in public for quite some time.

Dispatches From the Fortress – Day 342

Another excerpt from Abraham Riesman's book on Stan Lee can be read over here. It's about an article that appeared in the New York Herald-Tribune in early 1966 and drove a major wedge between Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and also between Stan and his other star artist, Steve Ditko. On a list of the Top Ten reasons Jack quit Marvel a few years later, it might come in at around #5. It made Stan out to be the sole genius of Marvel and made Jack sound like a non-entity who just took dictation.

I'm quoted in the excerpt and the factual recital matches not only what Jack and his wife told me but also what Stan told me and what Danny Fingeroth reports in his recent bio of Stan. It's one of those few incidents from that period that both Lee and the Kirbys remembered the same way. (Actually, they all remembered that it was Jack's wife Roz who phoned Stan that morning and woke him up to complain about the piece but that's a minor discrepancy.)

When Riesman interviewed me for his book (which I still haven't read), he told me he was going to try to locate and interview the fellow who wrote the article that so infuriated Jack. I told him I'd bet that if he did, he'd find out that the reporter was trying real hard to get Stan to give him a job. Riesman found the guy, talked to him and then wrote to tell me, "You were right."

That was one reason Stan usually got so much better press than Jack. Stan had hiring power.


I'm keeping an eye on what The Pandemic is doing to Nevada and how the state is slowly and cautiously trying to "open up." The stats are in for last year and it turns out that for 2020, Las Vegas had — by whatever method they calculate this number each year — 19 million visitors. That doesn't mean much until you compare it to the 2019 total, which was 42.5 million. 19 million is the lowest total in 31 years.

They're loosening restrictions there. Restaurants and attractions that were limited to 25% of capacity are going to 35%. Maximum capacities in showrooms that had been at fifty people are raised to 100. That should enable some shows to reopen, though obviously not all. On March 15, some of these numbers will be raised again. You can read more about this here.


Back in this video link, I wondered aloud what the deal was with Groucho Marx's hair. Steve Stoliar — who knew the man as well as any man alive — suggests that for some reason, Groucho was wearing the toupee they gave him for the movie Skidoo.

Today's Video Link

Here in the vast newsfromme blogging empire which just consists of me, we love a cappella singing groups. Here from South Korea, we have Jang Sang-in, Kang Soo-kyung, Jeon Sung-hyun, Kim Won-jong and — last but not least — Lim Soo-yeon. As a group, they perform under the name Maytree.

This is them on Vocal Play, which is the South Korean equivalent of The Voice here but with better sets and a bigger audience. As you can see, they made quite a sensation…

Today's Political Post

43 Republican Senators voted to acquit Donald Trump. Here's an analysis of their stated reasons, most of which I suspect are not their real reasons. I would think that in most cases, they assessed how mad Trump supporters would be at them if they voted to convict and how that might affect their political future…and they assessed how rough it would be on them to explain or defend a vote to acquit in the future and how that might affect their political futures…

…and then they decided which of two bad choices they were least afraid of at the moment.

This is the way I think most politicians — including many for whom I have voted — look at their options. What's right and what's good for the people are not immaterial (usually) but the deciding factor is self-centered. And yes, I know that's a cynical way to look at things but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

The new ABC News/Ipsos Poll says that 58% of Americans think Trump should have been convicted. That includes 88% of Democrats and 64% of independents.

A lot of folks online seem really troubled by only 14% of Republicans feeling that way. I think it helps to remember that people have all sorts of different barometers on politics and reasons for thinking the way they do. A year or three ago at an outta-town convention, I met a man who felt that Abortion was not only the Number One Issue but the only one. A POTUS who destroyed everything else in this country could have this guy's support if he also stopped Abortion. And I have an acquaintance who thinks the Number One issue is and always will be the price of gasoline. If gas prices go down, whoever's in the White House at that moment is a great President. End of discussion.

Recommended Reading

If you still think Donald Trump "won" because he wasn't convicted in the impeachment trial, read David Frum. He'll tell you how big Trump lost…and will continue to lose.