The other day here, I embedded this video of Groucho Marx in a conversation with William F. Buckley. I thought it was an awkward, cringe-inducing show but my pal Steve Stoliar, who worked for Mr. Marx in his later years, saw it differently. It reminded him of Groucho's serious side and he liked it a lot more than I did.
I got a number of messages about it and here are two. The first is from my e-mail buddy Ira B. Matetsky…
Actually, William F. Buckley did acknowledge that innocent people could be convicted of murder. For several years, Buckley famously championed the cause of Edgar Smith, who was convicted of first-degree murder in New Jersey in 1957 and sentenced to death. Smith remained in prison for 14 years, during which he corresponded with Buckley. Smith convinced Buckley that he was innocent. Buckley began publicly advocating for Smith's exoneration and release, including in a famous article in Esquire, and visited him in prison.
In 1971, Smith was granted a retrial, at which point he accepted a plea to second-degree murder with a sentence of time served. Smith denied that he had actually committed the murder, saying he accepted the plea just to get out of jail. According to the New York Times, after being released "Mr. Smith immediately appeared on Mr. Buckley's Firing Line program, holding forth about criminal justice and prison reform. The conversation was steered by Mr. Buckley, who said he believed 'profoundly' that Mr. Smith was innocent. Mr. Buckley had described Mr. Smith in the 1965 Esquire article as 'an essentially phlegmatic young man of nonviolent habits.'"
In 1976, Smith kidnapped a woman in California and stabbed her, nearly killing her. On the run from the FBI, he called Buckley, who arranged for him to surrender. Smith was convicted of these new crimes and sentenced to life imprisonment. During this trial, Smith admitted that he had committed the earlier murder and relied on it as evidence he was not responsible for his action.
So, Buckley admitted that the state could convict an innocent person for murder and sentence him to death, but unfortunately, the person he chose as an example turned out to be guilty.
Y'know, now that you mention it, I do recall that case. The fact that Smith went free though guilty did a lot to convince people that if you're charged with a crime of violence, you probably did it. I still see that sentiment today, especially when there's a racial element.
I remember an acquaintance of mine — he was a friend before this conversation — and I were talking about the death penalty. I forget which one it was but there had been a recent exoneration thanks to DNA testing of a poor, uneducated black guy who'd spent a decade or more on Death Row for a murder he did not commit.
There's a strong argument against the death penalty that human beings should not be killing other human beings even as a reprisal for killing other human beings. But even if you don't believe that, you can believe that the death penalty is wrong because so many innocent people are wrongly convicted of capital crimes.
My about-to-become-a-former-friend opined that the recent exoneration I cited did not change his mind about how the government should be frying more such folks, preferably within hours of the "guilty" verdict. He believed that even if the man I mentioned was innocent of that particular crime, he was a poor, uneducated black guy so he probably committed other crimes that warranted his execution.
In the late sixties, I was way more Conservative than most readers of this blog will ever believe. I wanted to like Buckley. Part of the reason I watched him was because I wanted to learn the arguments I could use against my more Liberal friends when we got into debates. But I came to have an opinion of him only a little higher than Richard Morgan's. He's the person who sent me this e-mail…
I started to watch the video of the Firing Line with Groucho Marx, but I quickly felt the bile rising in my throat with the first words out of the pursed-lipped mouth of Buckley. I couldn't stand to watch or listen to him at the time and I soon had to opt out just as Groucho started to reply to the first inane question.
I could not subject myself to watching this arrogant, bullying, pseudo-intellectual displaying one of the ugliest visages and most irritating voices ever on television. The only time I watched the program for the full hour was when Jerry Brown blew Buckley out of the water in a question of Roman Catholic Dogma. The glee which I felt as Buckley had to admit his own error and his visual hatred for Brown in exposing his stupidity.
The only other times I had occasion to watch anything to do with Buckley was when one of my favorite writers and pundits, Gore Vidal, served him up on a skewered platter during their televised debates during an election. Buckley finally was so frustrated that he had to pull out the "gay" card to attempt to demean Vidal with slander as his idiotic attempts at intellect were blunted at every turn by Vidal. I still miss the erudite offerings of Gore Vidal on every television forum as opposed to the current dearth of intelligence or intellect allowed on any televised medium.
I enjoy reading your daily diary of events and activities in the entertainment industry.
I recall the Buckley-Vidal skirmishes during ABC's 1968 election coverage and wonder if any network has since contemplated trying something similar for its election coverage. It might not be possible to find and match-up two such erudite combatants but it surely wouldn't be hard to find people who liked to argue. Even though I was then more-or-less on Buckley's side, I thought Vidal mopped the floor with him. And I'll write more about this later but I have to be off to a meeting. Thanks, Ira and Richard.