A Len Wein Story

Around 1977, give or take a year, Len Wein was living in New York but visiting Los Angeles with increasing frequency.  We both knew it was only a matter of time before he rearranged his East Coast life so he could move out here and start a West Coast one.  When he was in town, I played host to him and I'd say things like, "Hurry up and move out here so I can stop playing host to you."

Before one trip, he told me he wanted to go see a TV show being taped or filmed. At the time, I knew a lot of people who worked on comedy shows then in production so I said, perhaps showing off a bit, "Name any sitcom or variety show you want to go see and I'll get us in."  Even as I spoke those words, I realized I should have added, "Except M*A*S*H" because M*A*S*H filmed without a live audience and its soundstage was not all that welcoming to visitors.

I was one syllable into adding the "Except M*A*S*H" when Len said, "M*A*S*H!" I asked him to pick something else. He said, "You said to name any show I wanted and I want to go see M*A*S*H." He was not going to change his mind.

So I called someone I knew at Twentieth-Century Fox Studios and she arranged to take four of us — Len, me and two of our friends — to the set and leave us there. We stood near the cameras and watched about an hour of shooting — mostly Hawkeye arguing with Colonel Potter while Radar O'Reilly ducked in and out. Len was a bit disappointed that the whole cast wasn't around but I told him, "I said I'd get us on the set of M*A*S*H. I didn't promise Loretta Swit or Jamie Farr would be here." The four of us observed until the crew broke for lunch, at which time our plan was to dine in the studio commissary and then depart.

me and Len
Photo by Greg Koudoulian

I haven't dined on that lot for many years so I don't know if it's still like this but the Fox commissary then was split into two parts. On the left was the fancy dining room where smartly-dressed serving folks took your order. I wasn't the only one who found the place stuffy and pretentious and a good reason to drive the four blocks to Factor's Delicatessen down on Pico. If you weren't starring in a series shot on the Fox lot, you could wait an hour for your cheeseburger and it would come with toppings you didn't want.

That's how it was on the left side of the building. On the right was a cafeteria-style section with much better food and, since it was self-service, better service. This was where the stage crew and lesser players lunched. I decided that was where we belonged.

Len and I argued…a little. In all the time I knew him, we almost never argued and never for very long. This may have been the longest one and it only lasted about two minutes. We settled it by arriving at what I now call a Republican Compromise, which means that one side gets everything it wants. In this case, it was me and Len was not happy about it.

There's a Yiddish expression, "Hakn a tshaynik," which English-speaking folks have corrupted into "hocking the chainik." It has many definitions but the relevant one here is to keep talking and talking about something that is not going to change. We were in line at the cafeteria and Len was still carrying on about how we should be on the sit-down, order-from-a-menu side.

Our party had four people and four trays. Our two friends had the first two trays, then came my tray and then Len's tray. As we waited for line to move, Len was saying — and loudly so others around us heard — "If we were eating on the other side, we'd probably see some movie stars. The movie stars never eat on this side." And as he said that, he was facing me so he didn't see who was right behind him, sliding the next tray along the line. It was Gene Wilder.

Mr. Wilder was on the lot shooting a film called The World's Greatest Lover and this was not long after Young Frankenstein and Silver Streak. He might not have been the biggest movie star in the business but you weren't likely to encounter a bigger one on either side of the Fox Commissary.

Try and imagine my point of view. I'm looking at Len and he's going on and on, "hocking the chainik" as it were, about how you'd never find any self-respectable movie star in this silly cafeteria line. And over his shoulder, I can see Gene Wilder smirking and trying to not laugh out loud. Our eyes connected and I could tell he was truly enjoying the moment. Then with the expert timing of a comic master, he signaled me with his eyes that it was time for the big reveal.

I pointed to a dish of cooked carrots and asked Len, "Would you ask the man behind you to pass that to me?" Len asked Gene Wilder to pass the carrots, Gene Wilder passed them to Len and then Len passed them to me. And then Leonard Norman Wein did what may well have been the greatest double-take ever performed in or around any motion picture studio in Hollywood. Even Jimmy Finlayson in his prime never topped this one.

Don't remember Jimmy Finlayson? He's the guy at left in this photo…

Nobody could do a double-take like Jimmy Finlayson. Nobody until Len Wein noticed Gene Wilder standing 12" from him, that is.

And Len began to laugh. He laughed and he laughed and oh, how he laughed. When I heard Len had died, I asked myself what were my favorite memories of Len? And that was the first one that came to mind: Len doubling over in laughter at what had happened, even though the joke was kind of on him. It was like a gift…and one of those that keeps on giving because for the next year or so, you could make Len fall over laughing by whispering, "Don't look now but Gene Wilder is right behind you."

That day in the cafeteria, we had a very nice, albeit short conversation with Mr. Wilder. All I remember him saying to Len is, "Your reaction did not disappoint me."

That was the first memory of Len that came to mind yesterday when I heard the news. I have others and I'll be sharing them here.

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Len Wein, R.I.P.

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Comic book writer-editor Len Wein died this morning and it feels so odd to type those words even though I've known for a long time I would have to.

Len was a friend of mine — at times, a very good friend — for darn close to half a century. I can tell you exactly where and when we first met in person: It was in the hallway outside Julius Schwartz's office in the DC Comics offices back at 909 Third Avenue in July of 1970. So 47 years and two months…but we'd corresponded by mail (paper mail) for a year or two before that. We got along famously from the start, never quarreled and had many adventures together. I will probably spend the next week or two here remembering stories I can tell here and several I can't.

Len dying…that does not come as a shock. In those 47 years and change, I must have heard a dozen times that Len was at death's door and even before we met, there were times when his friends expected it to happen soon. I remember one day around 1975, our mutual friend Mark Hanerfeld phoned me to tell, in great seriousness, that Len was gravely ill and could not possibly make it to the end of that month. Not only did Len make it to the end of that month, he outlived Hanerfeld by a decade or two.

The last few times I saw him — the last at Comic-Con, the time before that in a hospital — he looked like it could happen any minute. I guess I'd gotten it into my head that no matter how bad it looked for Len, he'd bounce back. He always did until, this morning, he didn't.  He was 69, I believe.

He was, of course, a fine writer who was responsible for co-creating many popular characters including Swamp Thing, the Human Target, Wolverine and many of the X-Men. I was also impressed with what he did with others' characters like Batman and Superman and Spider-Man and most of the major ones. If you read any of them, you know how well he could spin a story and think of clever things no one had thought of before.  I feel like I should tell you more of the personal side of the guy…

The personal side was that he was a great guy of infinite good spirit.  The two of us could sit and talk and laugh for hours and I find it hard to imagine that he couldn't do that with anyone.  We'd talk about comics.  We'd talk about friends.  We'd talk about the world.  We'd talk about "guy" things.  For I-don't-know-how-many years, Len needed to spend several hours of an evening, several times a week on a dialysis machine.  There was a clinic not far from me and sometimes, he'd call and ask me to come by and keep him company.  If I could, I would….and I'd see the other patients there wondering why we were laughing and trying to outdo each other with hoary jokes.  Only Len could make dialysis seem fun.

He was enormously devoted to his wife Chris and vice-versa.  She took great care of him, especially when he was in need of great care.  Sometimes, you resent when a buddy gets married because now he has less time for you.  Seeing how well they functioned together, I didn't resent that one bit.  She made him real happy and I really liked Len being happy.

I'll write more about him in the next few days.  He was one of the good guys.

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Sunday Morning

I've decided to stay off the 'net for most of today. Anywhere I click, I wind up reading about Florida and I feel really, really, really bad (three reallies) about what's happening down there. Apart from donating more bucks to Operation USA —

— there's really nothing I can do.  Wish there was.  I do not understand why Disaster Preparedness is such a non-issue in this country today. It's not like any one of us couldn't have a flood, fire, tremor or other real life Irwin Allen movie in our area. I feel like there are some people who have a genuine problem with the concept of Helping Others. They're so self-obsessed with their own needs and fears that they're bothered by the whole concept of caring about someone who isn't them even if that person is a family member or neighbor.

I understand the idea of being worried for yourself. What I don't get is how that doesn't translate into assisting others; how the notion of everyone helping everyone doesn't strike them as an idea that might be beneficial to them at some point. They like the part where others help them. They just don't like it being attached to any sort of obligation on their part to help others, especially others they don't think of as "my people."

We can't stop these disasters but we can sure as heck build better buildings and better roads and better levees and drainage systems. We can hire and train more First Responders and build more hospitals…and before you say "That costs money," sure. Of course it does. But take a look at the clean-up and restoration costs are going to be for Harvey and Irma and storms to be named at a later date. That costs money too…oh, yes. And human lives.

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Composer Alan Menken plays his greatest hits in ten minutes…

A Personal Note About Personal Notes

There's a whole bunch of readers of this blog who send in a lot of private e-mails. They're responding to things I post here or just telling me thoughts that I suspect they'd put on their blogs if they had blogs. A few of them write me almost every day and one or two seem to think that every time I post anything here, they automatically owe me an e-mail commenting on what I wrote. I know they understand that I cannot reply to all of them but lately, it's gotten so I can't even read them all.

I route them into a folder called "Later" and I fib to myself that one of these days, I'll have the time to read 'em all and reply to those most deserving of replies. Well, I just checked and that folder now has over 4000 messages in it. Some date back to when I was not reading them because I had to get over to the nursing home to take care of Carolyn.

I gather those of you who still write despite a lack of replies or acknowledgement are not bothered by this. Well, I'm bothered, especially since when I do read the messages, I often find clever thinking or witty writing. I hate that someone writes something good and then it dies with me.

If you see something vital here, like if I've made one of my not-uncommon stupid errors, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, if you're writing me more than twice a week just to tell me your response to something I've posted, please write less. It's not that your views are not interesting. In fact, it would be easier for me to skip them if they were of less interest. It's just that I'm starting to feel really bad about not being able to read them all, let alone reply to more than one or two every now and then. I really think some of you should consider having your own blogs. Once they're up and running, it's not much more of your time than you now spend writing to me…and presumably other websites.

You might seriously consider this. Anything you send me that you think is worth my time to read is probably worth the time of a lot of other people.

Saturday Morning

I'm feeling really bad about all the weather-related tragedies lately…and increasingly disgusted by those who flatly deny Climate Change and probably will, no matter what kind of weather we get in the future. It seems to me that some people got into their heads some time ago that Global Warming was a Liberal Thing…and since they hate Liberals, it had to be denied at all costs, even the costs of human lives and property. I keep thinking of the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. His arms were cut off, his legs were cut off…but as long as he could deny losing, he was sure he was winning.

In vastly-less-important news, I am informed that the oft-cited 1963 air date for that episode of Celebrity Golf with Harpo Marx may be inaccurate. It may be 1961, which would explain why his 1962 appearances are considered his last.

One Night Wonders

22 Broadway musicals that opened and closed the same night. I once spoke about #22 on their list with Eddie Lawrence, who wrote the book and lyrics for it. He brought it up. I didn't. But it was chilling when he talked of how devastating it was to him, both personally and professionally. He felt sabotaged and I don't think he ever tried it again.

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We had a link earlier to a lot of Groucho Marx on radio. Here's his brother — the one who didn't talk on camera — on an obscure syndicated TV show called Celebrity Golf hosted by Harry Von Zell, who some of you may recall from the George Burns-Gracie Allen radio and TV programs.

Wikipedia says "Harpo's two final television appearances came less than a month apart in late 1962. He portrayed a guardian angel on CBS's The Red Skelton Show on September 25. He guest starred as himself on October 20 in the episode "Musicale" of ABC's Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, a sitcom starring Fess Parker, based on the 1939 Frank Capra film. This show aired in October of 1963, less than a year before Harpo passed away. [UPDATE: Or maybe it aired in 1961.]

It's Harpo playing golf against Sam Snead, who a lot of people said was the best golfer in the world. I am incapable of watching more than about forty-five seconds of televised golf without lapsing into a coma, even if one of the players is Harpo Marx. Still, it's always nice to see something of him that you never saw before…

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The Secret Word is "Public Domain"

A lot of people first knew Groucho Marx not as a comedian but as a funny game show host. From 1947 to 1961, You Bet Your Life aired first on radio, then on radio and television and then finally just on television. Unlike most quiz programs, the main premise was not to watch people win a lot of money. The main premise of You Bet Your Life was for contestants to come on and for Groucho to be very funny interviewing them. After he did that, they'd get to the secondary premise which was people winning a modest amount of money, mainly as a means of thanking them for coming in and playing stooge to Groucho. At least, that's the way it always seemed to me.

Groucho was funny on the show in part because he was such a great ad-libber but he had a lot of help. There were a lot of lines pre-scripted by a team of comedy writers and to hide that assist, the writers were credited as Production Assistants or some other title. On radio, Groucho would have their lines on cards before him. On TV, they'd be projected on an offstage screen that only Groucho could see behind the contestants.

And then there was the fact that the show was recorded and edited for broadcast. Groucho would do a ten-minute interview with someone and that would be chopped down to the funniest four minutes. Some interviews were discarded altogether.

A number of uncut recordings have survived from the radio version and they're available online for your downloading 'n' listening pleasure. They include moments of Groucho talking with the crew or the audience — chatter that was never intended to make it to air. Here's a playlist for you. And while we're at it, here's a long playlist of You Bet Your Life radio shows as broadcast.

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I've heard "The Impossible Dream" performed by a lot of singers who didn't have the voice for it. Bryn Terfel sure does…

Recommended Reading

Hey, when you have the time, read this piece by Dan Gardner. It's about how the press tends to make a big deal when someone makes a prediction and it comes true. But they ignore all the predictions that don't come true.

Back when I was working on That's Incredible!, we were deluged by so-called "psychics" who had made some amazing prediction that such-and-such would happen and it had. Now, I happen to believe that there is no such thing as the psychic power to predict the future…or even the present. There are lucky guesses. There are informed, smart guesses. There are magic tricks where it looks like you're guessing but you're not. But there are no psychic guesses. Someone would write or phone us and say, "I predicted that earthquake!" or "I predicted that celebrity death!" and often, they had. Sometimes, they were lying but sometimes they had.

And when they had predicted the celebrity death, closer inspection would show that they'd gotten one right and ninety-four wrong. Or, for example, there was the lady who wanted major kudos and publicity for predicting that Groucho Marx would die in 1977 — which, indeed, he did. He was 86 and she'd predicted he'd die in 1976 when he was 85 and she'd predicted he'd die in 1975 when he was 84…

Eventually, she had to be right.

Political-type pundits don't usually claim psychic powers and they generally have some good reason to predict what they predict. Still, they're too often celebrated for getting one right out of ten or twenty…or in the case of William Kristol, one of around eighty, and sometimes they predict both ways. Here's an example of that from this very blog…

When it was announced that David Letterman would be retiring, I immediately said, "If I were CBS, I'd send a Dodge Viper filled with cash to Stephen Colbert's door to see if he's ready to abandon his Comedy Central show and the character he plays on it." Then in the very next sentence, I wrote, "But I don't think it'll be Colbert. I think they're going to want someone fresher…"

Ever since he got the job, people congratulate me on predicting it would be Colbert. If it hadn't been, they'd probably congratulate me on predicting it wouldn't be. Sometimes, you just can't be wrong because they won't let you.

Thursday Morning

I've been busy the last day or so finishing a script and also working on the June Foray Celebration. Yes, there are still seats available. That's a big theater. No, we don't care how much June loved you, you may not speak at this event. The program is full. And please understand that this is not a funeral. It's kind of a memorial but we're avoiding that word because it suggests something sombre and sad. We decided to go with "celebration" because it's not going to be that serious. And it's not going to be that serious because June was never that serious. She had a marvelous sense of humor and it would be inappropriate not to use that as our guideline.

The info on how to attend is all over this blog. Send your request for an invite to friendsofjuneforay@gmail.com — and by the way, that address does not go to me. If you write to me there, a nice lady who has more than enough to do has to forward your message to me so please don't make more work for her. And in case we haven't made this clear, admission is free.


I will be a guest at the Baltimore Comic-Con, which runs from September 22 thru 24 and, yes, I will be moderating some panels. What a surprise. I will also be showing my face, such as it is, at the New York Comic Con, which is October 5 thru 8. So far, I think I only have one panel there but that may change.

As part of the Baltimore expedition, my friend Amber and I are making a day trip to Philadelphia and we're taking along Marv Wolfman, who will also be a guest at the Baltimore Comic-Con. Amber has never been to Philadelphia nor eaten a cheesesteak so I'm going to show her the Liberty Bell, take her to Independence Hall (assuming it hasn't been razed and replaced by another Trump Tower) and buy her a cheesesteak. Marv can buy his own damned cheesesteak.

We will also take in the production there of my favorite musical, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum at the historic Walnut Street Theater. Its director and star are both my favorite Groucho Marx impersonator, Frank Ferrante. Yes, he does other things besides shooting an elephant in his pajamas. The production is now in previews, it opens September 13 and it runs through October 22. If you want to be there the same night Amber, Marv and I are in the audience, that would be September 21. They're selling tickets over on this page.


It goes without blogging that we — and by "we," I mean me and everyone I've talked to locally here — feel for the folks who may be in the path of not just Irma but any other hurricanes that may follow it. On the news, I hear people saying "Well, there's nothing we can do to stop hurricanes" and that's probably true but I bet there's a lot more we can do to prepare for them, mostly in the area of Infrastructure. How about building roads that are less likely to collapse from flooding? How about building drainage systems that will do a better job of handling inches of rain in the double-digits? We can do that if someone is willing to pay for it.

I'm not even mentioning Climate Change…but how about mentioning Climate Change? In any case, you don't have to believe the world's getting warmer and that Man is causing some of that to believe we should do more to prepare for disasters. If ever there was an issue that ought to be non-partisan…