About Residuals

I first posted this on November 5, 2007 when the Writers Guild was in the midst of a very long and nasty strike. It quickly became one of the five-or-so most-read and linked-to posts ever on this site. It's about residuals, a concept which often seems alien to folks who work in professions where there are none, nor are they appropriate.

In fact, I often find myself having to explain to people in other lines of work how my job is so very, very different from theirs. I do not mean better. I mean different. In recent years when certain comic book creators or their offspring have taken legal action to claim a share of Dad's work, there's always some guy on the 'net who sells aluminum siding for a living who tries to parse the lawsuit in terms of his own job and say, "Hey, they got paid for creating Superman! Why should anybody get a nickel more later? I don't when I sell aluminum siding!" Someone then has to patiently explain to this person that selling aluminum siding is not analogous to creating Superman. They don't reprint your aluminum siding over and over, they don't make movies about your aluminum siding, they don't sell model kits of your aluminum siding, etc.

I received the e-mail you're about to read and tried to explain why we get residuals. Based on how often this piece has been read and copied, I wish I'd gotten residuals on it…

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Dave Bittner sends a question which others have asked in various forms and which piggybacks on my previous posting…

There's a fundamental aspect of this whole writers strike that puzzles me, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one. How did the whole residuals system start, and become the standard of what's considered "fair" in Hollywood? In most other industries, even creative ones, a person gets paid for doing a job, and that's it. There's no expectation of ongoing payments. If I sell my house, for example, I don't send a check to the original architect, even though his design work contributes to the ongoing value of the property.

No, but if a Harry Potter book goes into another printing, J.K. Rowling gets another check. I disagree with you that ongoing payments are not the norm in creative industries. I get payments if an issue of some comic book I wrote in the seventies is reprinted. I get payments if a song I wrote in the eighties gets played again. It is a generally-established principle that if you create something that has an ongoing value — particularly if its reuse competes with new product — additional compensation is appropriate. This is not to say it's always paid. Comic books, for a long time, didn't pay for reprints. A lot of animation work still doesn't pay for reruns. But that's because of the way the financial structure of those fields developed, with creative folks placed at an economic disadvantage and not having the clout to get reuse fees. I don't think it's because they don't deserve them.

Residuals exist for a couple of reasons. One is that they are deferred compensation. Let's say you want to hire me to write your TV special and there's no WGA and no residuals and we're negotiating out in the wild. I suggest $10,000 would be a rational price. You were thinking more like $5,000. I point out to you that this is likely to be a great show that will rerun for many years to come and that you'll be able to sell it again and again and again. If we could be certain it would be, ten grand to me wouldn't seem unfair but as you point out, we can't be sure that it will have all those resales. So how do we resolve this?

Simple. We invent residuals. We agree that I'll write the show for $5000 or maybe even a little less, and that I'll receive another $5000 if you can sell it for a second run and then maybe $2000 if there's a third run and $1000 for a fourth and so on. The reuse fees are not a gift to me. They're part of the deal…and by the way, this is not all that hypothetical a scenario. I've made deals with this kind of structure for animation projects where the WGA did not have jurisdiction. Even some pretty stingy cartoon producers were glad to make them because it lessened their initial investments to have me, in effect, share a little of the risk.

(A quick aside: The other day, I was talking to Lee Mendelson, who produced all the Peanuts specials. He's making a new deal for the early ones, including A Charlie Brown Christmas, which is probably the most often-rerun TV show ever produced. Every time he sells it again, he gets paid again, often at rates comparable to what a newly-produced cartoon special would cost. The thing has made millions and millions of dollars each decade since it was produced and it continues to earn. Would someone like to look me in the eye and tell me Charles Schulz never deserved a nickel after the first run? Lee sure wouldn't make that argument.)

That's a very mature, honest way of doing business. What wouldn't be honest is if we made our deal as per the above and then you did the following. You say, "Wait a minute! I don't pay my plumber every time I flush my toilet," (a famous quote from a studio exec fighting the concept of residuals) and you try to lop off the back-end payments and just pay me the initial $5000 or so. No. The $5000 wasn't my fee for writing the show. It was more like a down payment. I wouldn't have done it for $5000 without the other part of the contract. But every so often in Hollywood, some exec gets the idea that they can maximize profits by reneging on the back end of their deals, and we have these silly, periodic battles over residuals.

Anyway, all of the above is one rationale for reuse payments. Another is a tradition — not in every circle but some — that creative folks share when their work has ongoing value. The reason we have a Patent Office in this country is that we wanted to encourage people to invent new ideas and that means giving them a structure through which they can cash in on their brainstorms and not be excluded from the ongoing exploitation of them. Residuals are one way that writers and artists avoid being excluded.

Yet another is that they are compensated when the lasting value of their work preempts new production. A situation which has occurred quite often in the cartoon business is this: You're hired to do a show and you really do a fine job on it. Everyone does. You get 40 or 65 episodes done and they're so good that when they rerun, kids are eager to see them again and again and so the ratings don't go down much. At some point, the studio says, "Hey! These shows are so strong, we don't have to spring for the cost of any more. We can just run these over and over forever!"

And they lay everyone off.

You're out of a job because you did it so well. This has happened many times and it continues to happen. Reruns narrow our opportunities to work on new product.

So if I'm writing a new show…well, I don't want to sit there and think, "Hmm, I don't want to put myself out of work. I'd better not do too good a job on this." That's not healthy for my soul and it sure isn't the ideal situation for my employer. It's far better for all of us if I have that incentive to make the show as big a hit as possible. That means I have to have an ongoing financial interest if the show turns out to have an ongoing financial value. I won't mind getting laid off if I'm sharing. I will mind if all I've done by contributing to a success is put myself out of business.

There's a lot more I could write about this but I have to get a comic book written this morning and then go picket this afternoon so this will have to do for now. The last thing I'll add is that I've been a professional writer since 1969. I've written comics and cartoons and live-action shows and screenplays and songs and stand-up comedy and commercials and books and magazine articles and…well, you name it. Sometimes, I've been excluded from the ongoing value, if any, of my work. Sometimes, I haven't. The healthiest business relationships I've had have been those where I had residuals or royalties or some other financial participation beyond my up-front paycheck — and I mean healthy for me and for the entity that was issuing those checks. Inclusion is a very wise thing for All Concerned. It puts you all on the same team, working for the same goal.

In all those creative fields, I've never encountered any employer or producer or publisher who thought I, or others doing my job, didn't deserve that continuing share. I've met a number who thought they could get by without paying it and sometimes, they can. But since they get paid for the rerun of the TV show or the resale of the movie or whatever, they certainly understand and embrace the concept of getting paid when a piece of work has enduring value. It's just that some of them want to keep it all for themselves.

Carl & Dick

A few years ago, Dick Van Dyke wrote a great autobiography called My Lucky Life In And Out Of Show Business. It's worth having just to read…but for a limited time (probably very limited), you can get an autographed copy of it for forty bucks. These are legit and boy, is that a bargain. When Dick did the Hollywood Show recently, his autograph alone was going for $75.00. If you want one, go here right away.

While you're over there: If you want Dick's autograph, you probably want Carl Reiner's, too. Carl has two recent books he's signing: What I Forgot To Remember and I Just Remembered. They're twenty-five bucks each, which is less than the going price for his signature. Plus, you get it in a real good book. If you order both, ask him to sign one "Alan Brady." He'll probably write that you should shut up.

I don't think the Reiner books are as limited as the Van Dyke book but if you're interested in any of 'em, act now. They're sure not going to get any cheaper.

Indiana Dave

Craig (no last name given) sent me a link to this interview with David Letterman. It's in an Indiana newspaper and it's mostly about Indiana.

Today's Video Link

A very old commercial by Jim Henson. In it, you'll see a bunch of characters made out of cloth selling stretch and shrink control for cotton fabrics…

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Recommended Reading

Jon Basil Utley lists "12 Reasons America Doesn't Win Its Wars." Most of them come down to someone making a load of money off us being at war and not wanting the windfall to end. So just how much did Dick Cheney and Halliburton make off that little military action with casualties in Iraq?

A Funny Controversy

I have a lot of messages in my inbox asking me what I think about Jerry Seinfeld's complaints about "a creepy P.C. thing" that makes him not want to perform at colleges. What I think is that this is a non-issue which, since it's an exploitable topic, will probably fill zillions of Internet bytes to no constructive outcome.

I also think Seinfeld's complaints are too vague, anecdotal and hypothetical to discuss with any seriousness, not that this will stop anyone, myself included.

On Seth Meyers' show, he told a joke that referred to a "gay French king" that had gotten not laughter but a weird, critical reaction from one audience. Seth's audience laughed at it but not some other audience somewhere. This seems to me like too isolated an incident on which to build any kind of discussion. It's like "Oh, my God! Jerry didn't like the way one audience reacted once to one of his jokes." He complained about how he'd heard (not experienced himself but heard) that on college campuses, audiences are too quick to judge comedy and say "That's racist!" or "That's sexist!" But he didn't say it had happened to him.

We have a controversy based on that?

I don't think there has ever been a time when stand-up comedians enjoyed more unrestricted speech. There might be a valid case that some motion picture studios are getting timid about humor that might be branded racist or sexist. I hear people say that Warner Brothers would never make Blazing Saddles today and that might be so…but I'm not sure someone wouldn't. The thing with movies though is that they cost zillions of dollars to make so there are extra worries about crossing some line with (only) certain kinds of humor. There are huge investments involved and huge investments always make people nervous.

This financial concern doesn't really apply to stand-ups…or doesn't apply any more than it ever did. Those who book comics always fret about booking guys who won't bring in the audiences or will send them out prematurely. Nothing's changed there except what always changes: What audiences will pay to see.

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Jerry Seinfeld may be right to shy from college-age audiences, not because they'll think his routines aren't "politically correct" but because some might think he's of the wrong generation. And again, this is nothing new. When I was at U.C.L.A. in 1970, I don't think anyone would have brought in Norm Crosby or Buddy Hackett to entertain the students. Those are two guys who killed in Vegas, killed in Miami, killed anywhere they had an audience in "their" age bracket. They just didn't seem to speak to people under the age of thirty. I think the subtext of Seinfeld's problem — and this is sure not a big one for a guy who can still charge $125 a seat in Vegas and fill the hall — is that he's starting to become Alan King for audiences of a certain age.

They used to say that Seinfeld's sitcom was about nothing. I'm not sure what he's complaining about is about anything, either. But if it is, it's about that.

One other point I want to make…

Once upon a time in comedy, it was hard to not get a laugh by dropping your pants. Now, it's hard to not get one by mentioning anal sex or using those words that George Carlin said you could never use on television but now in some places, you can. Still, bad comedians have managed both.

The thing that bothers me about Seinfeld's complaints is that too many comics blame the audience when the act doesn't evoke hysterical laughter. This "creepy P.C. thing" Seinfeld mentions may be so on some campuses, especially at places like Bob Jones University or the diploma mill that Jerry Falwell set up. But it sounds to me more like an excuse comics give when either their routine isn't good enough or they've simply misjudged the house and done the wrong kind of material for the occasion. Some comics these days who learn how to work one kind of comedy club don't have the material or chops to play before more than one kind of audience.

But let's get back to "not good enough" because comics are like pizzerias. A lot of them aren't all that good. I was around stand-up comedians a lot in the seventies and eighties. I saw great ones and lousy ones and I heard a lot of the latter kind blame the audience when things didn't go as desired. One guy used to say when he bombed, "It's my job to be funny and their job to laugh and they aren't doing their job." He was not being funny, either when he said that or when he went on stage.

One night at the Comedy Store, my date dragged me to see a comic who her sister knew and the guy was just awful. I never saw him again anywhere but that night, I saw enough to last me a lifetime. He was living proof of an old adage I made up during his act that scatalogical humor is not always funny. The act was just terrible and the less people laughed (or stayed), the more he dragged out the poop jokes…to no avail. After, when we saw him outside, he was railing against the "square, uptight" audience.

Yeah, but they'd laughed their asses off at the guy before him, who was Sam Kinison. Maybe the audience wasn't the problem.

Set the TiVo!

Saturday night, TBS is running the AFI Lifetime Achievement Salute to Steve Martin. A friend who was there for the event told me it was a gloriously funny evening and one hopes the recorded, edited version of it will be, as well.

While you're at it, you might want to check your D.V.R. settings for Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, a series I would hope you're all watching. What he's doing with F.I.F.A. officials is gutsy and hilarious and the only thing I don't like about this program is that it exists, thereby making him unavailable to succeed Jon Stewart on The Daily Show. Anyway, the next few weeks, the first telecast of the show is not at 8:00. It's like 8:01 or 8:06 or some odd number that could present a problem for some recording set-ups.

Sunday afternoon, Turner Classic Movies is running an interesting back-to-back combo: Mr. Bug Goes to Town followed by Mr. Deeds Goes to Town. What do these two films have in common? Well, in each, someone goes to town. That's about it.

If you're never seen the old sitcom Car 54, Where Are You? and you get MeTV on your cable or satellite, set your D.V.R. to record the first of the two episodes they're running very early this coming Sunday morning, then watch it when you have time. If you don't like that installment, don't bother trying any others. (It's the one where comedian Jan Murray is judging a barbershop quartet contest. One of the funniest sitcom episodes I've ever seen.)

Two new "oldies" TV channels have just been launched, neither of which are currently being carried on my cable provider. They're broadcast over the air in L.A. so if I went to the trouble to hook up my old roof antenna which I suppose still works, I could get them but I'm not that industrious these days. One, Decades, is running a lot of the old TV shows that others have run, interspersed with news documentaries intended to evoke certain time periods in both news and entertainment. The other, Buzzr, is like Game Show Network used to be running old episodes of Family Feud and Let's Make a Deal, and they're running ancient episodes of I've Got A Secret, To Tell the Truth and What's My Line? in the wee small hours, too.

I expect both will show up on my Time-Warner Cable eventually. It may depend on who winds up acquiring it. The F.C.C. stopped the merger with Comcast. There's a new one provisionally arranged with Charter. If the F.C.C. stops this one, I hope we see Time-Warner try merging with the Five Guys chain. It may not lead to better service but at least there'll be good burgers and fries.

Today's Video Link

Tomorrow, MAD magazine is vacating its offices on Broadway in New York for new digs. Here from a year or two ago is a brief tour of the old offices conducted by Dick DeBartolo, who's been writing for MAD since Al Jaffee had to do his fold-ins as cave paintings. Dick is also, as you may be aware, a frequent on-air contributor to whatever the heck TV show this is.

Once upon a time at its first location, the MAD offices were pretty dull. They didn't look that much different from the place in which a publication about preventive maintenance might be assembled. Visitors were therefore disappointed and the publisher, Bill Gaines, decided they had to decorate the walls with silly pictures and gags. The hallways at their office on Broadway were similarly colorful and right now, the crew is probably trying to make their new workplace funny. Here's where they're moving out of…

Today's Political Comment

Scott Walker has said that if the Supreme Court makes Gay Marriage the law of the land, he'll champion a constitutional amendment to undo that decision. But of course he won't. There won't be a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, either. In this country, when you promise to ram through a constitutional amendment, you've lost but you're trying to impress your followers as an "I never give up" guy.

I would guess that if you tallied up all the vows to change things via a constitutional amendment, you'd find that less than 1% of the folks making those vows even took the first steps towards making that amendment happen. Why not? Well, for one thing because they know they're never going to get two-thirds of Congress behind it, let alone get 38 states to ratify.

Quick: When did this country pass its last constitutional amendment and how long was it from the time it was sent to the states for ratification and the time it was finally passed?

Bzzzz! Time's up! The correct answer is that the 27th amendment was sent to states to ratify on September 25, 1789 and finally ratified 202 years and 7 months later in 1992. And that wasn't even that controversial an issue. It was to say that when Congress votes itself a pay raise, that raise doesn't take effect until after the next election.

We don't change this country through constitutional amendments. On the very rare occasions when we pass one, it's for a matter where everyone is pretty much on the same page. This is never going to happen with Gay Marriage or Citizens United. The only thing that totally undoes a Supreme Court decision is another Supreme Court decision.

In the absence of one of them — and they're pretty absent or long in coming — we pass workaround laws, chipping away at the decision via loopholes and dogged legislation. Ever since Roe v. Wade, we've been hearing vows of constitutional amendments to overturn that decision and ban abortion. There, of course, has not been one nor have advocates for that cause come within fifty miles of getting one sent out for ratification. Instead, they've nibbled away at legal abortion by passing laws that close clinics or hamper the process. They can't make abortion illegal but they somehow seem able to make it very, very difficult for some women to get one.

That's why I don't think anyone should waste their time trying to ban assault weapons. They should be passing laws that say that to obtain one, you have to go to another state, be lectured that you'll be taking another human life and then undergo serious anal probing before you get your rifle. (No, wait. Some people might enjoy that…)

I have no idea how the Supreme Court is going to rule. People who get paid to cover that court do not have a great track record of predicting swing votes lately. They can usually nail how five or six of the justices will vote but they're not good at the last few nor do they always foresee the details. If I had to guess — and I'm glad I don't have to — I'd say the high court will make Gay Marriage legal but that the wording of the decision will leave all sorts of openings for laws that can chip away at the practice.

It'll be legal but there may be wiggle room for clergymen to not perform the ceremonies or for cake makers to not make the cakes, etc. Some federal or state legislator will then try for a law that says, yes, Gay Marriage is legal but in order to marry, any couple must demonstrate that they possess one penis and one vagina, preferably not on the same person…or something like that. Lawyers will go without sleep for days trying to come up with "It's legal but…" contrivances.

But that's just a guess. What I am sure about it is that there won't be a constitutional amendment either way. Or if there is, it will take 202 years and 7 months to make it a reality. By that time, no one will care about Gay Marriage. They'll be arguing whether it's legal for differing alien life forms to wed. And whichever side loses will vow to pass a constitutional amendment to overturn that decision.

It's Sooner Than You Think!

Hard to believe but it's less than a month before Comic-Con International convenes down in San Diego so…

  • No, I don't know where you can find a hotel room and no, you can't crash in mine.
  • No, I can't help you get a badge no matter how many dying children you have with just this on their bucket lists.
  • And no, I especially can't help you arrange a panel to promote your new project. The programming schedule was locked a long time ago, fella.

Speaking of that schedule: I'm goofing off this year and only hosting eight panels, down from a career high of (I think) fourteen. I'm not supposed to announce them until the official list is released, which should happen two weeks before the con kicks off. Preview night is Wednesday, July 8 and then the non-preview part runs Thursday, July 9 through Sunday, July 12. So they should start posting the programming schedule on June 24.

But I will tell you that I'll be doing all of your old faves (Quick Draw!, The Sergio & Mark Show, Cover Story, the Jack Kirby Tribute Panel and so on) and that I'm especially excited about the Cartoon Voice panels where you'll meet the voices of Avengers, Turtles, Justice Leaguers, Rugrats, Jedi Knights and a recently-retired Gay Robot Skeleton. Also on Sunday, we have this panel I do each year called The Business of Cartoon Voices, which is a serious attempt to give sound, pragmatic and free advice to folks who aspire to become voiceover performers. One of our guests on the panel this year is a gent I've been trying to land for years…one of the best agents that field has ever seen. Gonna be quite a panel.

I'll post some convention-going tips here shortly but a big one is to keep your eye on the convention website. It's really good and at least half the questions people call or write me to ask can be found there with just a mouse-click or two. And when the programming schedule is posted, study it carefully. You might even find an event there that's worth attending even though it's not hosted by me.

Today's Video Link

I just realized what this blog has been missing lately: Baby panda videos. Here's footage of a baby panda who was taken from his mother at birth and placed in an incubator. You're about to see them reunited…

This Just In…

Larry Levine has just informed me that the Second Avenue Deli in New York relocated in 2007 to E. 33rd Street between Third and Lexington Avenues. Actually, their website says there are two Second Avenue Delis in New York and neither one of them is on Second Avenue. They're doing this just to confuse us.

Kirby on Kampus

Beginning in August, Cal State University in Northridge will host "Comic Book Apocalypse: The Graphic World of Jack Kirby." This is an art show of Jack's work curated by Professor Charles Hatfield, founder of CSUN's popular "Comics and Graphic Novels" course and the author of Hand of Fire: The Comics Art of Jack Kirby, a very good book on its subject. The exhibition opens Saturday, August 29 — one day after what would have been Jack's 98th birthday — and continues until October 10. I'll be posting further info on it as we get closer to the date, and I'll be there for the opening and speaking about Jack at a later event.

Marquee Watch

Photo by Dan Gheno
Photo by Dan Gheno

Dan Gheno has become our unofficial reporter on the status of the marquee of the Ed Sullivan Theater in New York. As you can see, a temporary structure adorned with CBS logos is up there for now. Stay tuned to this blog for further updates.

In other news of the neighborhood, the Carnegie Deli a block away has now been closed for more than a month due to…well, it's a complicated story possibly involving some sort of illegal theft of public utilities. Since I mentioned this, several of you have e-mailed to recommend better delicatessens in New York…which might matter to me if I had any plans to be in that town in the next few months.

Yes, I am well aware there have always been better delis in that town than the Carnegie — Katz's, to name one. I would also prefer the Second Avenue Deli if only it weren't all way over on Second Avenue where I never have occasion to roam. Katz's is out of the way, too. When you're in town for a limited time and rushing from meeting to meeting and trying to see as many shows as you can, you sometimes have to settle for the eighth best deli or the twelfth best place to get pizza. My two favorite places to eat when I'm back there are Peter Luger's Steakhouse in Brooklyn and the Grand Central Oyster Bar in Grand Central Station…and I can rarely squeeze in both during any one trip. Some year, I hope to spend a month or two in New York and go to all the places (only a few of which are places to eat) that I've always wanted to go to. Some year…

Sunshine Time

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The 1975 movie of The Sunshine Boys is about to come out on Blu-ray and you can order a copy here. While you wait for it, you can read an interview with Richard Benjamin, who played the nephew in it…and quite well. Unmentioned in the interview is that he was the second choice for the role. Harvey Keitel was originally signed but during rehearsals, Neil Simon and director Herbert Ross decided he was wrong for it so Benjamin — who was quite right and good — replaced him. It is said Mr. Keitel is still fuming.

One caveat: In the interview, Mr. Benjamin tells how he met Stan Laurel and says that Laurel was then living in a six-story building in an apartment which Jerry Lewis paid for because Stan was broke. This is not so. Mr. Laurel was not broke. He was not swimming in cash but he was not broke and Lewis did not pay his rent at the Oceana Apartments — which, by the way, was a three-story building.

But I still admire the heck out of Richard Benjamin.

And just so we get this clear because almost no one does: When it came time to do the movie of The Sunshine Boys, they did screen tests of many old Jewish comedians including Milton Berle, Phil Silvers, Jan Murray and others. The role of Willie Clark was won by Red Skelton and the role of Al Lewis went to Jack Benny. Then Skelton, for reasons no one quite understood, withdrew. He said it was because he found the script vulgar, which was a silly reason because (a) it wasn't in the slightest and (b) off-screen, Mr. Skelton was a pretty vulgar comedian. He was replaced by Walter Matthau so it was going to be Matthau and Benny. Then Benny got too sick to do the film and after he passed, he was replaced by George Burns, who was just about the only old Jew comic they hadn't auditioned in the first place. Thus, all three lead roles were filled with second choices. It's still a pretty good movie.