From the E-Mailbag…

Jeff Wong sent his nominations for the Bill Finger Award and asked…

I understand that a lot of people who suggest names have odd definitions of what it means to be "unrewarded" or "unrecognized" but I wonder what your definitions are.

Hmm. Good question. Well, "unrecognized" would have a lot to do with doing tonweights of work, especially exceptional work and rarely if ever getting your name on it. This is not much of a problem for those of us who got into comics after about 1970 and an almost non-existent problem since about 1980. But Bill Finger, to cite the gent this award is meant to honor, probably didn't get a credit of any sort on 98% of all the comics he wrote. He was the main Batman writer and as far as I know, the one instance in his lifetime of him seeing his name on a Batman story he wrote came when he co-wrote an episode of the Adam West Batman TV show. His name is now affixed to reprints and he may have seen some of that before he passed away in 1974 but he sure didn't on the first printings. When we gave the award last year to Del Connell, that would be a great example of applying that definition of "unrecognized." He was probably one of the ten or so most prolific writers of comics that ever lived but he only got credit on less than 1% of his output.

Of course, "unrecognized" can also apply to someone who did get credit and just didn't get enough attention or notice for the work. I think that's what the committee had in mind when it selected Frank Jacobs two or three years back. And as we continue to present the non-posthumous award in coming years, I assume that's the definition that will prevail. (Nothing at all against Stan Lee but I still don't understand why every year when I solicit nominations, a lot of people nominate him. Some do seem to think it's a trophy for Best Writer.)

"Unrewarded" is kind of a financial consideration. Again, Bill Finger worked in comics when they didn't pay that well and — in part because of the lack of credits — didn't lead to much else but writing more comics for mediocre money. Today, you can parlay acclaimed comic book work into other, more lucrative media gigs. You can also in some situations make a lot of money doing comics in the first place. So we're looking for the folks who perhaps didn't or haven't achieved those kinds of rewards. Admittedly, it's subjective and there are rewards of a non-monetary nature to consider. But no matter who's been on our judging committee, I haven't seen a lot of agonizing over this aspect of the award or even the other part. Everyone seems to understand that Mr. Finger didn't get the recognition he deserved or the remuneration and it is in that spirit that we give out this honor.

We've had some excellent names suggested…so many that I wish we could give out a dozen Finger Awards this year. The judges' selections will be announced in about two weeks and if your nomination ain't among them, fear not. There's always, as they say in baseball, next year.

Stooge Stuff

I said recently in a Tweet, "Betcha the budget for movie with fake Stooges is 10 times the budget for all the movies ever made with the real guys." Film historian Randy Skretvedt responded by noting…

The budget for a Stooges two-reeler in 1934 was around $18,000, and it got smaller and smaller as the years went by. (The Stooges' salaries, by the way, stayed the same–they never got a raise!) Even if we keep the budget at $18,000 per film, for 190 shorts that would be $3,420,000. I'm sure the new Farrelly travesty cost many times that amount.

Press reports say the budget on the new film was $40,000,000 so I guess it's so. And to be fair, that's not uncommon and not just because of inflation. I was on the set the last day of shooting of that recent Land of the Lost movie — the one with Will Ferrell, the one you didn't see and I didn't, either. Marty Krofft, its Exec Producer and one of the guys behind the original 1974-1976 TV series on which it was based was telling folks that that last day of filming cost more than the budget of the entire original 43 episodes.

I haven't, by the way, seen the new Stooges movie…and as is my tendency, I'm pretty much staying away from reviews. I do note though that a lot of my friends have been and apparently there are two completely different versions of this movie being exhibited. One is riotously funny and the other is one of the worst movies ever made. Sure hope I get the good one when I go.

Hey, the picture above reminds me. I'm supposed to be a bit of a Stooges authority but I don't know this. What's with the "e" in Curly? Everywhere I've ever seen his name written, it's been Curly but on the title cards, it was Curley. Did he change it or was that a longtime typo or what? I can imagine he started off being Curley and at some point, so many people and press reports were spelling it Curly that he gave up and went with Curly…or maybe he, Jerome Howard, always spelled it Curly and everyone else changed it. Not that this is of great importance but I'm wondering it anyone has any info on this. Maybe he sold the letter to Wile Coyote or something.

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Today's Video Link

Here's another one of those Capitol Records of Disney material. This is Lady and the Tramp and it says "With members of the original cast." This is so. Lady is voiced by Barbara Luddy and Tramp is Larry Roberts, plus Bill Thompson spoke for Jock, Bull and Dachsie. All of these folks were indeed in the movie.

The narrator sounds like Art Gilmore to me.  The rest of the female voices, including both Siamese Cats and Peg (the Peggy Lee role) were provided by June Foray. The rest of the male voices were done by Daws Butler. None of these three folks were in the movie but they were part of the stock company at Capitol back then.

Daws didn't do much on Disney projects over the years. He and Freberg recorded some material for Alice in Wonderland but the scene was cut. Then years later, he voiced a penguin and a turtle each of whom spoke a few words in the animated sequence of Mary Poppins. Those jobs plus a few other Capitol Records were the only times I know for certain of him working on anything Disney, though I vaguely recall him telling me he'd done a few educational films or perhaps filmstrips for the studio.

Once he got typed as the star voice of Hanna-Barbera, the Disney folks were reluctant to hire him, at least for major roles, just as they didn't use Mel Blanc. Even in the eighties when I was developing the first Disney animated show for Saturday morning, The Wuzzles, that was the case. I had Daws in mind for a lead part and while they used most of my other casting suggestions, I was told they wouldn't even call Daws in to audition: "We don't want what we do sounding like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon." That was their loss because he was always sensational…in every job he ever did. So was June. Listen how well they perform here, even doing voices where they have to imitate other actors…

Tales From the Script, Part 2

Many moons ago, I wrote a couple of TV shows for a small production company that also produced the occasional movie, either for TV or theaters. The producer — we'll call him Mr. Producer — had a fellow on staff to act as his "reader." We'll call him Mr. Reader. This is another anecdote about what often happens to scripts when they get submitted in Hollywood. Mr. Producer had neither the time nor the interest in reading the many scripts that were submitted to him, mostly by agents but occasionally by friends or friends of friends. That was why he needed Mr. Reader. The job of Mr. Reader was to read those scripts, write "coverage" for the files and then to politely reject them.

That was not a joke. His job was to reject every single script. That was the assignment.

Mr. Producer made one or two movies a year. He was not a writer, not in the slightest, but he wanted a little pride of authorship in the films he produced. Any movie he made had to originate with an idea of his.

It could be the vaguest of ideas. One time, he had the notion that it would be interesting to make a movie filled with slapstick about an ordinary guy who's very clumsy. That was the totality of the concept. He called in (one at a time) a couple of good, experienced screenwriters and told each this whim and said, "If you have an idea for a movie about an ordinary guy who's really clumsy…something that could be filled with slapstick…come back in and pitch it to me." Each came back with such an idea and he picked the one he liked and hired the writer to develop it.

But understand this: If before he'd had that initial thought, you'd submitted a slapstick-riddled script about a clumsy guy, there's no way Mr. Producer would ever have made it. It never would have gotten past Mr. Reader and if by some chance it did, Mr. Producer would have rejected it. Because it didn't originate with him and he wanted every movie he made to begin with him so he could feel it was "his" movie. (For some reason, he didn't care that much about the point of origin on his TV projects.)

So why did he need Mr. Reader? Because if you want the agents to treat you like a real producer, you have to accept script submissions and respond to them. Mr. Reader would take the pile of scripts and read enough of every one to write the coverage, which was a one or two page memo-to-the-files that briefly summarized the plot and quoting One Great Moment in the script. That was an important part: Citing One Great Moment. Mr. Reader told me that was sometimes the hardest part of his job…finding that One Great Moment.

Then he'd give his recommendation, which was — always — that the script had great merits and the writer had talent but that this particular effort was not right for Mr. Producer's company at this time. And then he'd make up some reason why not.

If an important agent phoned Mr. Producer to ask, "Hey, didn't you just love that script I sent over last week?", Mr. Producer would consult Mr. Reader's memo and say, "Oh, yes. What a great idea…a script about [whatever Mr. Reader said it was about]!" Then he'd add, "Your client is very, very talented. I especially loved the bit where —" and here he would cite that One Great Moment and then he'd say, "I'm afraid though this isn't quite what I'm looking for right now."

If pressed to explain further, Mr. Producer would cite Mr. Reader's reason and the agent would be disappointed but satisfied. He'd go back to the client and say, "I got Mr. Producer to read your script. He really liked it — especially [One Great Moment] but it's not what he's looking for at the moment." That was how it worked. Every time.

In theory, having Mr. Reader read those scripts might have had its value in that he could have discovered a great writer and suggested that person for when Mr. Producer had one of his ideas…but I don't think that ever happened. Mr. Reader liked to call in folks who'd written recent hit movies he'd liked.

As I said, I worked for him on some TV projects. I got the distinct impression that he wasn't reading what I wrote, either — and I was writing material he was going to produce. He'd tell me he'd read it and that it was fine and he'd send it over to the network…and if they had notes, he'd pass them on to me. Once, I asked him of a script I'd handed in, "Did you think the scene in the gymnasium was too long?" He said, "No, seemed about right to me." There was no scene in that script in a gymnasium…but I wasn't about to point that out. I liked having a producer who didn't read the script. It was one less person to tell me to change things.

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Today's Video Link

Ten minutes of really odd things people have said in movies. This seems to include every line ever spoken on film by Arnold Schwarzenegger…

Tales From The Script

Gavin Polone reveals what gets read in Hollywood…and he oughta know. Mr. Polone is a top producer with recent creds as an agent and manager. (He represented Conan O'Brien when Conan got and lost The Tonight Show.) He is absolutely right that folks in the TV and movie business who have the power to do anything good with a script receive way too many of them to ever read.

I don't think I've ever mentioned it here but I briefly worked on the TV series, MacGyver in its second season. It was not a happy month of my life — that's all it lasted before they wanted me out and I wanted out and I'm still not sure if I managed to quit before they officially fired me. Anyway, a few weeks before I was hired, one of the producers made a remark in TV Guide along the lines of "We're always looking for good stories." Something innocuous like that. I mean, isn't every TV series always looking for good stories?

An awful lot of people — most of them, I suspect, not already in the TV business — took that as an open invitation to write a script and submit it to the show. The deluge was beginning about the time I arrived: "Spec" MacGyver scripts arriving every day by the hundreds. A large room there that otherwise might have been my office became the storage place for them. Each day, a guy from the mailroom would come by with a hand truck and deliver the latest arrivals…and I'm sure that by the time I left, there were well over three thousand scripts in there. I am not exaggerating.

They were largely ignored, at least while I was around. Every so often, someone would peer into the room, gasp and ask, "What the [f-word] are we going to do with all these?" There was the obvious fear of lawsuits. If we broke a new story for the show about MacGyver cooking a meatloaf…well, there was probably a script somewhere in those piles about MacGyver cooking a meatloaf and its author would never believe no one had read his submission before we came up with our story.

But that aside, how could the show ever deal with all those scripts? If there's a gem in there, how do you find it?

The producers and story editors might at best each have time to read two or three a day. That's on a day when the workload on that week's script and next week's script was light, and at least during my brief stay on that show, there were no such days. It may seem unfair that someone could go to the trouble of writing an entire 60 page script and have no one on the show read it…but tell me how to arrange that. (By the way: I never opened any of those scripts but one of the secretaries there told me there were quite a few in excess of 100 pages or even 200.)

Anyway, read what Mr. Polone has to say. It's a pretty honest appraisal of the way at least some producers and agents operate. Not all. But a lot.

From the E-Mailbag…

A reader of this site who signs him- or herself "d abston" writes…

I'm definitely one of the people who is "just reacting to the idea of a white guy killing a black guy."

More specifically, I'm one of the people "just reacting" to the idea that an armed adult shot and killed an unarmed kid.

Even more specifically, I'm one of the people "just reacting" to the idea that an armed adult was stalking an unarmed kid and was told by the 911 operators to stop it just before he shot and killed said unarmed kid.

Personally, I would like to see George Zimmerman now get the sort of KKK justice he so easily dispensed. Of course, I'm "just reacting."

Personally, I would like to see George Zimmerman get a fair trial — an odd ritual that we sometimes have in this country but rarely when tabloid-style interest reaches the level where Nancy Grace is weighing in on a case. On the other hand, I have to admit that if the matter hadn't become such media fodder, Zimmerman might never have been arrested at all. I will agree with you that it doesn't look good for Zimmerman but I also don't trust the press reports of what exactly happened.

If he gets that fair trial and it yields the outcome that he's guilty of second-degree murder then I'd like to see him receive the prescribed punishment for second-degree murder. I'm not sure what that would be in this matter but I'll bet it isn't "KKK justice."

I'm not one of those folks who believes The System always works but I figure it can't work if we don't try.

Barney's Bionic Buddy

On Easter, I recounted here a memory of going to the May Co., the L.A. department store, and seeing a robot Fred Flintstone. A reader of this site named Tony Redman found this image on the photostream of an animation historian who calls himself slappy427 (he has lots of neat Hanna-Barbera stuff there). Anyway, slappy427 was nice enough to give me permission to post it over here.

That's not exactly how I recall the Fred Robot I was describing but it's close enough that that's probably it. The text accompanying this press clipping says the robot wound up in the Hanna-Barbera offices. I first visited those offices in 1975 and began working there steadily in '76 and I never saw it. I'm going to call a couple of H-B veterans and ask them if they remember it.

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This is one of those "Don't ask what it's about, just click and watch" videos. So don't ask what it's about, just click and watch…